Many have highlighted a regression in progress when it comes to including models above a size 4 on the runways. Only there wasn't ever real progress to begin with.
Same old, same old. Plus size models have always been tokens on the runway but do the designers actually produce garments beyond a size 10? And even if they do - don't they like to hide that fact from their desired customer? While I applaud the British Vogue cover it's funny that they're wearing YSL when I couldn't find any items for sale over a size 8.
It’s like when Law Roach gave that super long iv to The Cut last week - diversity in fashion and entertainment really is skin deep. Magazine covers - or the existence of Ashley Graham and Paloma Elesser - does not shift the needle for all other women
The YSL & Victoria Beckham shows were terrible for very skinny models. Like it's part of their brand/look. Awful! And actually just seems really old fashioned at this point.
A setback is not defeat. Thinness obsession (control of women by making them weaker) has been a huge force for a very long time so it’s not going to let up that easily. The inclusive community has to keep pushing forward. It has to amass the power and capital to overpower the corporate mainstays and create new rules. There is always a way.
And can we talk about the fact that when they do include a plus size model they present her as: "LOOK WE ARE PRESENTING PLUS SIZE!!" I'm sorry but you don't need to let people people know you are being inclusive.. or include everyone at the same time.. is Vogue UK gonna keep being inclusive? are they inclusive in other articles of the magazine? it all seems like a we are trying to keep the people happy with the bare minimum cause if we deliver this people will think we are being inclusive and stop putting us in the same bag as everyone else... only time will tell.. but as you say Amy... nothing had changed and I don't see actual change in the horizon...
The designers would make their clothes in larger sizes if those sizes sold well. Let's stop pretending this has anything to do with feelings and realize that these are business decisions.
I was super excited when 11 Honoré opened and included extended sizes from luxury brands that traditionally did not offer them. A big problem is that many luxury brands do not understand how to fit for plus and fat bodies. Hence, many of the pieces I purchased just did not work for my small fat proportions and there is only so much that tailoring can accomplish. I would definitely buy and rock YSL, Gucci and Prada if they offered true plus options.
After all, as Dior says on its famous $920 T-shirt, which only goes up to size large, “WE SHOULD ALL BE FEMINISTS.” Emphasis, I suppose, on should.
😮💨 Once again, perfectly stated.
Same old, same old. Plus size models have always been tokens on the runway but do the designers actually produce garments beyond a size 10? And even if they do - don't they like to hide that fact from their desired customer? While I applaud the British Vogue cover it's funny that they're wearing YSL when I couldn't find any items for sale over a size 8.
I've been appreciating Tibi's size inclusivity in their runway shows, ecomm photos, and size range lately.
It’s like when Law Roach gave that super long iv to The Cut last week - diversity in fashion and entertainment really is skin deep. Magazine covers - or the existence of Ashley Graham and Paloma Elesser - does not shift the needle for all other women
The YSL & Victoria Beckham shows were terrible for very skinny models. Like it's part of their brand/look. Awful! And actually just seems really old fashioned at this point.
Those 2 brands have always been among the worst - back 7 years ago when I was a fashion editor, it was the same then
Yes, both alwaya been dreadful for it. So strange when it's supposed to be an innovative industry. Anything but!
A setback is not defeat. Thinness obsession (control of women by making them weaker) has been a huge force for a very long time so it’s not going to let up that easily. The inclusive community has to keep pushing forward. It has to amass the power and capital to overpower the corporate mainstays and create new rules. There is always a way.
And can we talk about the fact that when they do include a plus size model they present her as: "LOOK WE ARE PRESENTING PLUS SIZE!!" I'm sorry but you don't need to let people people know you are being inclusive.. or include everyone at the same time.. is Vogue UK gonna keep being inclusive? are they inclusive in other articles of the magazine? it all seems like a we are trying to keep the people happy with the bare minimum cause if we deliver this people will think we are being inclusive and stop putting us in the same bag as everyone else... only time will tell.. but as you say Amy... nothing had changed and I don't see actual change in the horizon...
The designers would make their clothes in larger sizes if those sizes sold well. Let's stop pretending this has anything to do with feelings and realize that these are business decisions.
I was super excited when 11 Honoré opened and included extended sizes from luxury brands that traditionally did not offer them. A big problem is that many luxury brands do not understand how to fit for plus and fat bodies. Hence, many of the pieces I purchased just did not work for my small fat proportions and there is only so much that tailoring can accomplish. I would definitely buy and rock YSL, Gucci and Prada if they offered true plus options.